Now for Some Trash Talk

Recently in Brattleboro some “Townie” came up with the idea that trash pick ups will be done bi-weekly rather than weekly (this program, mind you began in the hottest month, July)  But that’s another story…

I think it’s a good idea but why stop there?  Why not cease all trash pick ups?  Forever!  Yes I am serious. 

We have major problems with trash – it pollutes and gathers in gyres in the oceans, now as big as Texas and getting bigger. It breaks down into small pieces and gets ingested by fish which then gets ingested by humans (ha ha – karma)  The population is growing yet we have done barely a thing to address the accumulating build up of trash. Indeed, we have only gotten more wanton.

Why isn’t anyone thinking about trash? Why are politicians and selctmen and selectwomen not thinking about this? Why does it go from one decade to the next with the same old systems when we clearly have a major problem that is only getting worse?  I don’t know why. But here’s something to think about because what we are doing, our usual ways, are going to choke our children. Do we care?

Responsibility for trash is everyone’s business. When you go to the store and buy something, you don’t need all the packaging it comes in. That’s usually to make it pretty for you to choose from the myraid of other products. And it’s to contain it in something so a price can be put on it. The store managers are just as responsible for the trash they sell as we consumers are for the trash we buy.  

Organic food such as peppers and carrots and some other organic items used to be able to be purchased without packaging. Now they come in packaging. More plastic to throw out. Organic eggs come in plastic containers – hello!  When people buy organic food it’s usually because they are environmentally consious as well as health consious. Eating healthy food but allowing a polluted and toxic environment rather invalidates the trouble of going organic. So why are producers packaging things more when we have this major problem? 

We consumers should be dropping our waste packaging at the store we bought it from. Retail stores are not going to give a flying fig about reducing packaging while we consumers are the only ones who feel the responsibility to change. Why do we continue to let these corporations off the hook?  They swindle us at every turn they can, yet we unceasingly abide by any terms they inflict. 

So I don’t buy food when it is packaged. I just find something else that isn’t packaged. We don’t have to go along with their game. What is our game though? Convenience. We’re like spoiled brats that whimper whenever there is any kind of inconvenience. It won’t kill us to go without occasionally to make a point to corporations that we want change. And we’re tired of waiting. We’ve waited long enough.

We could be more conscious about purchasing new merchandise, we could choose to buy only used. There is so much waste that could be re-purposed. Buying only used items would have the effect of making our already-owned goods more valuable because a demand would be created. And it would take volumes out of the waste stream.

Government does nothing. Actions to solve problems are never attempted. Are we so apathetic that we are becoming immobilized? Trash has been a problem for decades. We knew this would be the case and now here we are. Yet nothing new is ever explored or discussed, let alone implemented. 

Removing all trash pickups (but maintaining recycling pick ups) makes a lot of sense. Whatever trash you have purchased, you return to the retailer and if you don’t do that, then it’s yours to keep. Why should someone else bear the burden of your incosideration? 

Comments | 49

  • What happens to the people

    What happens to the people who are elderly and/or disabled who aren’t physically able to lug trash back to the grocery store? Do you have a solution for that? Or people who take public transportation to do their shopping?
    And what about purchases like baby foods or juice or cat food? Because those would be pretty messy to buy without containers. How about toilet paper? Would you buy toilet paper that had been sitting on store shelf- uncovered- gathering dust and God knows what else? You come up with these theories about things that would only work for a very small number of people – if at all. First it was leaving dog feces on the sidewalk and scooping a small portion of soil from a close by yard. Now, it’s having everyone trekking back and forth to the store to return trash- which, of course would mean using their cars more frequently which is also devastating to the environment. How is that a winning solution?

  • A real writer might...

    I can’t see how you would think that you help this reading audience. This article, like the others, are poor contributions to our understanding on any issue you write.

    Rarely have seen any articles in media that uses broad generalities as you do. Such as, “Government does nothing. Actions to solve problems are never attempted.” “Does nothing” and “never attempted” like all your generalities are absolutes, useless and inaccurate to the point of being ridiculous. A real writer might, as an example, write: “government doesn’t do enough.” But you truly lack shades of gray. You have no subtleties, just broad, backhanded strokes throughout all your articles. And, you have no sense of brevity or at the least, how to get to the point.

    Moreover, you write like it’s a rant. You’re not sharing ideas; you’re hitting people over the head. You leave no room for discussion. Worst of all, your constant antigovernment and antiscience, and, hypocrisy about laws are off the scale.

    In fact, your articles are very similar to the “Leave a comment” sections you read under a variety of online articles. Perhaps, you should consider a critical thinking writing course?

    • If you mean something, it's an intention, goal, purpose, or aim

      There is something to be said for good intentions. I’m not trying to be entirely unreceptive to some of your ideas (not chemtrails though, of course… :).

    • Helpful critique?

      Regardless of the substantive issues, the condescending tone and self-importance conveys something other than a desire to offer positive suggestions. Actually it is rather ugly.

      • I know what my intentions are

        I know what my intentions are when I write comments.

      • Deliberately false

        Generally speaking, the notion that comments need be only “positive suggestions” suggests a lack of understanding of the purpose of making comments.

        Moreover, your analyses of my specific comments is contrived. There is no self-importance, nor any condescending or ugly elements in my comment, neither is there an obviously intention on my part to do so.

        If I’m right, and I think I am, that your comment is forced and manufactured, you’re just talking trash..

        • Confused?

          After starting with an admission that his purpose was not to make “positive suggestions,” Vidda then denies that his comments were negative. 🙂

          Which is it?

          • Juvenile snipping at my heels

            This is what I said: “Generally speaking, the notion that comments need be only “positive suggestions” suggests a lack of understanding of the purpose of making comments.”

            I said nothing about denying positivity or negativity.

            Look fella, if you have comments that are germane to the article, you might better make use your time to make your own comments about the “trash” discussion.

            Your juvenile snipping at my heels might be entertaining to the readership, I’m sure, but you offer nothing with your personal attacks.

            If you can’t stay on topic there are good articles on iBrattleboro with a lot to choose from.

          • *deleted cus I goofed*

            *deleted cus I goofed*

          • A real mensch might...

            own up!

            Before complaining that others have gotten off topic, read your own comment which says nothing whatever about trash disposal, but is a personal attack against DWard, which starts with a demeaning title and ends in a pompous “suggestion” that she take a course in critical thinking.

            I take exception to much of what DWard wrote, but take greater exception to your granting yourself license to insult people. My final word to you, Vidda, is this:

            Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!

          • Preachy

            I agreed with both Kalden and Vidda. I found the article disjointed, overreaching,anarchistic, and not practical at all. I was not in any way put out by the other comments.
            But for you to launch into your preachy tendency to dish out your overbearing ‘opinion’ is tedious. There are a lot of people who read ibratt. Most of them hopefully less righteous than you strive to be.

          • Dover?

            There is no equivalence here: KAlden’s comment addressed the substantive issue, with an opinion grounded in facts and logic. Despite her passionate disagreement with DWard’s opinion, there was not a hint of personal disrespect.

            Vidda’s comment was snarky, personal, demeaning. There was not a single word addressing the actual subject of waste removal.

            It is truly remarkable, Dover, that you and Vidda so consistently have a convergence of opinion; and it is commendable that so often you come to his rescue. I wonder if you would divulge your actual identity?

            We know that KAlden is Kris Alden;
            SK-B is Steven K-Brooks
            Vidda is Vidda Crochetta. But who is “Dover?”

            Dover, would you mind disclosing your actual name so that we know you are a real person — separate from other participants — and not a troll?

          • Some nonsensical, half-baked

            Some nonsensical, half-baked and delusional ideas are worthy of mockery and insult.

            Vidda was far more polite and reserved than the nonsense that Dward regularly spews deserves.

            The idea that if one can’t say anything nice, one shouldn’t say anything at all is a terrible idea that should have long ago been discarded.

          • Mockery and Insult

            Eschmitt, you are one of my favorite writers on ibrattleboro and I find it a privilege to be worthy of your mockery and insult.

            Your opinions are born of impeccable research and rigorous analysis. I do not think that you flame anyone out of malevolence, but out of frustration. When you do insult someone, there is a context. You are a good writer, and even your insults tend to be clever.

            Admittedly I wince sometimes when you really let out the stops, yet it is hard for me to find fault when the writing is of such quality. Nothing that Vidda has written here compares with your standards.

          • I don't think I ever mocked

            I don’t think I ever mocked or insulted you? I am not recalling anything you’ve said that merits that level of derision. Our brief exchange on causality actually motivated several hours of follow up reading on my end because I realized I was uncertain of my position. I always appreciate being put in that position. Am I forgetting something?

            So, if the difference between it being acceptable to mock and insult or not is the quality of the mockery and insults, perhaps instead of chastising Vidda for insulting Dward, we should be giving pointers on how to insult dward better!

          • Oh...

            thanks for clarifying that. I misunderstood your comment about half-baked and delusional ideas are worthy of mockery and insult as being a response to what I had posted. I understand your history with DWard.

            Vidda, though, is not someone whom I would encourage to insult people. He has a bit of an unsavory history, including stereotyping Jews online, and disgusting vulgarity via direct email.

          • So when eschmit says "Vidda

            So when eschmit says “Vidda was far more polite and reserved…” that didn’t mean anything to you as you gush your praise for eschmit, as you slap Vidda around, you slap like a girl… My favorite writers on here are Spinosa, Vidda, both with wonderful content, cgrotke for his amazing attention to detail, and I thoroughly enjoy reading eschmit’s comments. Who ever I’m “coincidental” with is my point of interest, and none of yours. When you ask Rosa Bonheur, spinoza, eschmit, annikkee, and others to reveal their identitites, you still can’t ask for mine. I don’t think yours a very nice man Brooks, and probably a “paid” troll. But I do know you’re definitely a sanctmonious … (you can fill in the blanks)

          • OK, I am convinced...

            that dover is not Vidda’s troll. Whatever else can be said about Vidda, he does not write like a semi-literate, and I cannot imagine him being such as idiot as to accuse me of being a paid troll. Gosh, perhaps “dover’ thinks that I am making a good living “trolling” on ibrattleboro 🙂

            Who would pay me anyway, for writing on ibrattleboro?

          • Now that there are apparently

            Now that there are apparently two paid shills/trolls on here, do we try to unionize?

            Maybe Chris Pratt can tell us who our employer is. I have questions about our health coverage since it seems every time I read this website this palm-shaped red mark appears on my face and I wonder if I can claim that as a workman’s comp thing…

          • ID check

            I thought everyone here already knew who I am. It’s no secret. I’m Laura Austan of Brattleboro, formerly NYC. Who are you, dover?

          • Everybody here knows who

            Everybody here knows who annikkee is? That’s a stretch. If asked everyone on here to tell you who they are, and evryone told you who they are you still cant ask me. Vidda has mentioned my first name on here a couple of times when hes replied to comments of mine. But the arrogance of you and brooks asking is pure bs.

          • hahahahah!

            Yeah, pretty much, anyone who’s been here for the last 10 years, as I have, knows me. There used to be iBrattleboro Outings, even. Imagine that, talking to people face to face.
            Anyway, you’re the one throwing my name and ID around. I was just reading the thread. Perhaps it’d be best if you left me out of your rants. Whoever you are.
            Thanks ever so.

          • …anyone who's been here for the last 10 years knows me?

            Really?? I’ve been on this site for nearly 7 years and until this day I didn’t know your name, nor would I know you on the street.

            Over each month there are thousands of people who read and view iBrattleboro for a good variety of reasons. Statistically, it’s not possible for “pretty much anyone who’s been here for the last 10 years” to know you. Like all articles and comment sites the viewing contributor and statistics here change and modulate over time.

            Dover throwing your “name and ID”around”?? You’re the one who wrote:
            Submitted by annikee on September 8, 2016 – 6:42pm. # ID check I thought everyone here already knew who I am. It’s no secret. I’m Laura Austan of Brattleboro, formerly NYC. Who are you, dover?”

            I read dover’s comment. He didn’t write that, you did.

          • "Let that be the end of it."

            That’s enough, David.

          • In context

            Let that be the end of “asking or demanding of anyone to reveal their name or confidential information.”

          • And I quote "dover"

            ” When you ask Rosa Bonheur, spinoza, eschmit, annikkee, and others to reveal their identitites, you still can’t ask for mine.” If you’d left me out, I wouldn’t have peeped. I merely volunteered my info as I’ve been here so long, with no subterfuge, I find it silly that someone gets so wound up over revealing their real name. But if there’s something to hide, so be it.

          • This is entertainment!

            “…my info with no subterfuge”?? What?

            Wait a minute. You (annikee) and SK-B are the ones who brought up the “ID” bullshit. I didn’t and neither did Dover. I do not know the identity of most of the people with user names who use this site, but I have no problem swapping comments.

            Then you want to twist people’s use of an iBrattleboro “user name” to log-in with into people engaging in subterfuge or people having a secret or have something to hide??

            Why would Dover (or anyone) have to “leave you (annikee) out” if you’re already in!!? This is a comments section!

            Who are you kidding, annikee? You and SK-B are merely my standing antagonists, ready to jump in when you see my comments.

            As I write this, there are now 717 reads. The truth is, for our readers, this is entertainment, man, like any other good soap. Stay tuned.

          • Now you're talkin

            I find it quite entertaining too.

            It still remains fact that dover dragged my name in, however you may deny it. When people do that I like to make sure they know I don’t appreciate it and will get very annoying.

      • Agreed

        SK-B I am with you on tone and attitudes. I used to enjoy engaging on iBratt but after seeing the steady shift in tone .. although I stayed for a while, I found it impossible to see much in the way of meaningful or thought provoking commentary.. I mean, when a post or a story turn into a debate with an on and off switch and nothing in between is becomes a real waste of time for me to do much more than just check in every couple of months. mostly to see what’s going on around town and what the current issues might be.. I always jump first to the story that has the most for comments and more often than not, I’m not learning anything other than what I perceive as serious personality issues and the battles they create. It’s really disappointing as it used to be a lot of fun.. tons of humor injected into the fray when things would get “snarky ” and it slowly eroded into more and more a situation of various people constantly defending themselves. Haven’t learned a damned thing by reading this.. so I’ll go back to the internet search for “real news” … Equally disturbing had been a large amount of whining.. intolerable when someone’s trying to effect change only to have every ball they toss defeated with yet a new list of gripes. Eventually I’ll learn not to bother looking beyond a title or headliner. Maybe today is the day I finally do. 😀
        A contest of who’s right and who’s wrong isn’t my cup of tea. I learn nothing that way.

        • From now on

          I’ll check to see who wrote posts before reading them, avoid those I should avoid, and stay out of comments. It’s a shame. I met a lot of people who’ve become good friends here. Perhaps this is a phase. I hope so.

        • In defense of iBrattleboro

          After I read your comment I scrolled up to see the number of “reads.” As of 9pm tonight this article has 646 reads, so far.

          I have read over these years a large variety of informational, local town and office, creative, political, philosophical, religious, entertaining and event-related articles.

          I’m worried that if no one replied to your comment one could think that iBrattleboro is a wasteland. It is not. I don’t want people to think that iBrattleboro is so devalued by its contributors, as you portray. It is a dynamic, breathing, living, important organ for many contributors and readers.

          I can’t see why anyone would disparage this site by saying that they would “go back to the internet search for “real news” …”

          One thing is for sure, if SK-b agrees – with you agreeing with him – it certainty hasn’t stopped him from making comments of his own and submitting a few articles of his own, to this very day.

  • The “nasty man”

    Goddamn. I go away for a day and come back to find the “nasty man” is using the -talk trash- article to, yet again, waste valuable comment space to personally attack me on somebody’s article.

    Thankfully we have dover and eschmitt at least to use humor to dispel the dark cloud of the “nasty man” …

    It’s late and I’m going to hit the sheets, but I thought I’d repeat the “nasty man’s” trashy line accusing me of having “an unsavory history, including stereotyping Jews online, and disgusting vulgarity via direct email.”

    Sometimes when I read the “nasty man’s” mischaracterizations I need Lava soap to scrub the misleading dirt off of me….

    But I really dislike reading his uncalled-for dig “Who would pay me anyway, for writing on ibrattleboro?” How dare he speak thus of the best community forum in the Northeast.

    Stay tune, I’ll revisit this tomorrow sometime…

    • Dont think i was copied on

      Dont think i was copied on your disgusting “vulgarity” emails Vidda. I know this is a talk trash article but brooks sure knows how to twist and turn.

      • Dont think i was copied on your "vulgarity" emails Vidda

        lol !! Sorry, Dover. I think he is referring to my “Shaved Pudenda” article. I really enjoyed writing that. Got some fun emails in reply. Hope you like it too.

        Sending….

  • ID check who?

    To this day most of the people I read and “converse” with are unknown to me. I have made a couple of guesses on someone’s ID, but I have never asked or demanded of anyone to pony-up their name. Neither will I.

    Moreover, I’ve never asked or demanded of the owners to reveal the confidential information on anyone.

    Let that be the end of it.

  • "Trash Talk"

    I don’t know DWard thinks about all of this digression, but I’m having a blast, and only because of my one initial comment. Sorry about that. Next time, maybe my promiscuous attackers will find something better to do.

  • Correcting the record

    I was not referring to Vidda’s “Shaved Pudenda.” The disgusting offline filth came as private email messages that Vidda sent directly to me.

    As for stereotyping Jews online, a number of ibrattleboro participants called him out for that. Here is one ibrattleboro reader’s reaction:

    Please be respectful

    Vidda:

    I am Jewish. I am not Jew. My friends – many of them – are Jewish. It shouldn’t be too hard for you to speak of others in a respectful tone, especially when you are speaking of groups of folks. Saying that someone once told you it was OK to say “Jew this” or “Jew that” doesn’t make it OK. The rest of us have figured that out. Now it is time for you to mind your manners and remember that hate has no place here.

    Another fact. Just because some Jews practice their religion in a traditional manner and some in a more modern manner does not mean that some are Jews and some are non-Jew Jews. That kind of name calling is offensive and juvenile.

    I think you may find that group stereotyping ( such as Orthodox Jews are generally….) is not a useful way to communicate in a public forum. Which is, perhaps, what folks are trying to tell you.

    I made no comment at that time about Vidda’s Jew baiting, but as more and more ibrattleboro participants expressed their disgust, Vidda (who seems incapable of acknowledging a mistake) doubled down to the aburd extent of arguing that he is is not hostile to Jews because he enjoys “cuts” (circumcised penises).  

    Appalled, John Wilmerding replied: 

    Re: “Some Of My Best Friends Are …”

    Vidda, I have read a great deal of what you have written on iBrattleboro. Read it and liked it, often very much.

    I think it did me some good to analyze what you wrote before, and I’ll do it again … what you’re offering here is garbage. More elaboration on the “Some Of My Best Friends Are …” theme except now you go even further into “Some Of My Best Sex Partners Are/Were …”

    Totally superfluous tripe. Borderline offensive to me as a non-Jewish person to read. Vida you’re “Letting It All Hang Out” here, and I don’t like the cut of what I see.

    Need I offer, truly, that I and most others here don’t give a flying [anything] about what religion some of your sex partners are/were, whether or not or how they were circumcised, etc.? Or is your purpose, perhaps, to see how far you can go to trash one of our other subscribers’ good efforts at creative writing and relating a meaningful life experience? If so, you are Off, Off, Off topic, man. Period.

    Go try to offend peoples’ sensibilities somewhere else.

    Anyone who cares to see the entire context, will find it by searching this site for “NYC Jew.”

    • When the fat lady (or fat man) sings

      First, my apologies to DWard, that Stephen K-Brooks has yet once again commandeered someone’s article to attack me. That was not my intention when I commented. Alas, we must go with the flow no matter where it may lead.

      I checked my email address book and cannot find a skb address. If for any reason, I did send it, then I have no apologies.

      Now that the perennial divagater, sk-b has struck once again, my fellow readers, the game is yet afoot. When will it end? When the fat lady (or fat man) sings?

      The “NYC Jew” article and its comments as referenced about me, is probably a pathetic attempt to use these comments, not so much to illustrate anything about my perceived deficits, but to enlarge his readership of his May 2015 article, with the ironic title, “Hey Jew.”

      I urge you to also search iBrattleboro for my “NYC Jew” comments following his article “Hey Jew,” to read my comments about the word “Jew.”

      The people who replied to my comments that sk-b refers to in his article of May 2015 had a good go of it, and is a good read of itself if your Saturday night tonight shows no promise of anything more exciting.

      Some of our “silent readership” may find the whole affair amusing or even informational. If not, then I highly recommend that you scan the current articles on ibrattleboro for a variety of good reads.

      Or, to follow the lead of the self-promoting sk-b, perhaps you’d like a somewhat more entertaining article :: Not as Nature Intended – The Vogue of Smooth Pudenda
      http://ibrattleboro.com/sections/history/not-nature-intended-vogue-smooth-pudenta

  • What about the #@&*%$# trash????

    You know, I wish that when someone submits a post that could actually benefit from some thoughtful and serious comments -that the thread could at least try to remain somewhat connected to the original post. I was quite looking forward to an intelligent conversation about the foolishness of transporting all our trash back to stores but instead we get reprints of past articles; unnecessary queries about people’s real identities and repartee that is usually seen in high school. Other than my original reply not a single response about trash.
    It’s enough to make a girl turn on the Kardashion’s show….

    • Apology

      To KAlden and the other ibrattleboro users.

      When Vidda responded to DWard with a gratuitous writing lesson under a contemptuous title, I should have simply reported it as abuse instead of pointing it out and getting hooked into an endless quarrel.

      DWard’s contention that we can eliminate trash altogether by taking personal responsibility, taken literally is wildly impractical, but it is provocative and could have kicked off a lively discussion.

      KAlden is 100% correct that her comment — challenging the real-world impact on individuals of DWard’s proposal — was the only one which actually addressed the subject. Perhaps we can revisit the issue soon, without diversions.

      • It would have sufficed for me

        You know something K-Brooks, you have an evil streak in you. You couldn’t let Kris have the last word, could you? Her last word with the great title was a relief for me and it would have sufficed for me.

        There’s something of a sinister affectation about you to the point of being dishonest.

        Consider this abuse if you want. But I thought you should know.

      • Fraud

        You should apologise brooks, but to vidda. Its not the first i’ve read where you suck up to someone who comments in a thread and in the same breath further your mission to badmouth vidda. You are a fraud and after reading your tedious Hey Jew certain not a good writer. It’s weird that you spent So many words in a battle with vidda in all those comments and then when kalden comments you jumped on board to ‘agree’ and apologise to all readers because you disagree with vidda? Your harassing should been reported as abuse. Who the heck do you think you are? A pompo*s a** comes to mind. That’s not abuse, that’s a fact.

      • His childish insecurity

        After I saw Dover’s comment, I re-read my comment (following KAlden’s first comment), this morning from September 4th that started the subsequent 7-day tirade by SK-B. I agree with eschmitt that I was polite and reserved. Moreover, I used examples from DWard’s article to back up my criticisms.

        Whatever highhanded station on iBrattleboro SK-B thinks he possesses, I have never considered him to be a true and worthy arbiter on what makes for good writing skills. His views of me are tainted and in my view, childish insecurity.

        (BTW, I didn’t like his Hey Jew article either. His somewhat autobiographical claim, notwithstanding, I thought it was entirely contrived.)

  • Point Break

    Here’s a link to an effort in another community which addresses the problem of trash and pollution in the sea:
    http://www.healthebay.org/volunteer/coastal-cleanup-day-1

    It seems part of the difficulty is that those who are apt to volunteer and do the work of clean-up are not those primarily making the mess in the first place. Unfortunately, the main offenders remain either oblivious, or untroubled.

    When I first read this story, as “eccentric” as it may have been, I thought immediately of the movie W.A.L.L.E. Not every effort to raise awareness needs to be grounded in reality.

    • I wonder if the problem with garbage

      I wonder if the problem with garbage isn’t government, laws or unusual ways to deal with it.

      Certainly overpopulation has to be the strongest backdrop to garbage on land sea and air. And, overpopulation can only get worse. There’s a point of no return as to just where this waste disposal business, government, private, volunteering, etc., can take us.

  • There is no end in sight to this trend

    Human bodily waste is part the trash-waste syndrome humans have fostered on this planet. Nearly a billion people have to defecate in the open, oftentimes in street areas and open ground. More than half the world’s people does not have regular trash collection. Nearly 1.5 billion tons of trash is generated annually, most of it by “us” urban and industrial countries. Any statistical amounts of trash and waste are rapidly growing and can only get worse not better. Our growing population will double and triple our over-consumerism that generates trash.

    “There is no end in sight to this trend,” the United Nations Environment Program agency says. “Public waste systems in cities cannot keep pace with urban expansion; rapid industrialization is happening in countries that have not yet developed the appropriate systems to deal with hazardous and special wastes.”

    I did not think, for example, that DWard’s idea that shoppers carry their trash back to the stores where they purchased their products was well thought-out. The writing seemed to be more of an anti-government-anarchist view, than a serious proposal to solve trash problems.

    The truth is the trash problem is a sick legacy we are leaving for children and grandchildren, and there is on conscience behind it.

    • Miracles of Technology

      Certainly much of the problem is that retail companies- almost always use ridiculous amounts of packaging for their products. I’ve found this particularly in online businesses. One example stands out for me. last winter I ordered a new pair of winter gloves from a well know online catalog. A week or so later I came home to find a box approximately 14″ x 10″ and about 12″ tall.
      I thought that perhaps they had sent me the wrong item or that I had ordered something else and forgotten about it. Opening the box I found copious amounts of bubble wrap- several layers. Once that was removed there were my new gloves -nestled at the bottom of the box -wrapped in plastic. I was so annoyed that I called their customer service and explained the issue. The explanation was that
      “they took extra care in wrapping all their items in protective wrappings to avoid breakage”. These were gloves, mind you. I looked through their entire catalog and didn’t discover a single item that was anything but clothing. And, oddly, every piece appeared to be made out of some miracle non breakable fabric! You just never know what new ideas technology might come up with…
      It’s discouraging to imagine trying to stop the deadly and disgusting flow of trash when most companies don’t even attempt to package conscientously.

      • Corporate product packaging overkill

        Yes, sometimes I also have difficulty opening hard plastic packaging that is excessive.

        I think the UN Environmental Program takes into account corporate product packaging overkill, but corporate regulation is a nightmare. Corporations are often immune to that.

        • I totally understand the

          I totally understand the extra caution in some packaging – like that for drugs or medical supplies, etc. But, everyday, unbreakable items do not need to be swaddled in miles of bubble wrap. The only person that is happy about that is my grandson because he loves to jump on it and pop all the bubbles! I try to make a conscious effort to give my money to companies that use eco friendly and minimal packing and there are some that try to do that. But, it’s hard to keep on top of and honestly, some companies don’t really care. If I get something that is over kill on the wrapping I contact customer service to have a conversation about it. But, honestly, the person that I usually get hold of is so far down the line I’m probably just wasting my time.

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