France is a tragic tragic example of what psychopaths are capable of. This carnage though, should not be an excuse for eliminating alternative media. Now more than ever it is desperately needed. This is Nazi Germany. Please wake up. Tell your friends.
Freedom of speech should not be a victim of terrorism
No, This is Not Nazi Germany
Goodwin’s Law raises it’s head both in Chris’s comment and in the “True Activist” link. Sorry folks, this is not Nazi Germany and I would suggest both of you read up a bit on your European history particularly from 1920s to 1950s. Goodwin’s Law: Once you’ve brought up a comparison to Hitler or Nazi Germany you’ve lost the argument.
There is be a meaningful discussion to be had about alternative news sources and efforts to counteract terrorism but this article is on an alternate news blog that does not screen it’s sources and the minute the author invoked Nazi Germany her article lost all credibility.
I agree with Rosa
Any person that throws in that Nazi comparison, loses me. It’s the type of Trump hyperbole, over the top, LARGE CAPS SCREAMING. Frankly, I think you are a little smarter than to throw out a GOTCHA and think you have convinced us.
Stop thinking
Don’t you love it when someone does that – it saves you from having to think at all. In this fast-paced world, this enables you to make an instant judgment and go back to the comforts of the status quo (you know, the usual killing, swindling and mind manipulations that the media discharges and that the public laps up like swill)
I wonder what it was like before the Nazi’s were “the thing” in Germany. With the occurrences that are going on today, it seems to me that “progressives” often display common characteristics to the German people with their acceptance of the drone program, torture and restrictions on speech.
Instead of wondering why
Instead of wondering why don’t you read? Rise and Fall of Third Reich would be a good start. Highly recommended. Then you might grasp how senseless your attempt to compare today’s progressives with the German people during the rise of the Nazi regime is. But then that would require that you begin thinking about real things. I suppose you’d rather wonder about fantastical simplicities.
The Hitler Card
**Godwin made an appearance in Glenn Greenwald’s Salon comments section in 2010 to confirm, as Greenwald put it in a column titled The odiousness of the distorted Godwin’s Law: Godwin himself appears in comments (authenticity confirmed via email) to explain that his “law” sought to discourage frivolous, but not substantive, Nazi analogies and comparisons. Godwin’s Law does not dispute the validity or otherwise of references or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis. As such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate in a discussion, Godwin has argued that overuse of the Nazi comparison should be avoided as it waters down the impact of any valid usage. In its purest sense, the rule has more to do with completely losing one’s sense of proportion rather than just mentioning Nazis specifically. The law was initiated as a counter-meme to flippant comparisons to the Nazis, rather than to invoke a complete ban on comparisons.
~ http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law **
Therefore, it’s not to say that referencing Hitler or Nazi invalidates what a person says or writes, but it is true that it’s too often overused and frivolous. I don’t think in this case that is so. In fact, resultant fascism or any totalitarianism in reaction to security threats, real, imagined or false flag types that oppresses freedoms can legitimately be expressed as Nazi-like in nature. Moreover, one does not lose all credibility the “minute the author invoked Nazi Germany” in an article or comment.
I agree with fishboy to the degree that when someone “throws in that Nazi comparison” they risk losing me if I don’t think it’s appropriately used.
Godwin’sLaw, as stated, is essentially arbitrary, as in the eye of the beholder.
When the reference to Nazis
When the reference to Nazis occurs in an article that uses words like “shit” as journalistic prose and then links to a We Are Change article as an example of journalistic efforts that are being thwarted then I employ Goodwins law as this is frivolous writing. Personally when Rudowski’s web site links to ads where you are encouraged to watch women’s barely covered breasts bounce in slow motion and uses “your’ instead of “you’re” in writings by Rudowski I consider this a frivolous site. My suspicion is that the video banned in France was a conspiracy theory sort of piece contending that the attacks in France were orchestrated or didn’t happen or some such thing which would be typical of Rudowski. Of course I can’t affirm that suspicion since in order to view any of We Are Changes videos I must subscribe to the site which I refuse to do.
When the writing and the sites are frivolous and not of substance then the Nazi reference is also frivolous and not of substance and therefore Goodwin’s law applies.
If We Are Change gets rid of the Bouncing Boob and Erectile Dysfunction and the additional ads that are extremely offensive to women of thought, then I’ll take another look and rethink my referencing of Goodwin’s theory. But to throw out willy nilly Nazi references, cries of totalitarianism and fascism over a web site like this doesn’t give the real danger of totalitarianism or fascism the sort of reflective concern that should be given.
Until We are Change wants to make their videos available to the public so we know what was banned I’ll be rejecting the Nazi references.
Organized from abroad, with complicity from the inside
So the We Are Change videos are available if you subscribe. I probably wouldn’t subscribe either but the videos are indeed available.
Moreover, your suspicions about a possible conspiracy theory or some such thing in the video may or may not be right, since you haven’t seen it, But, after all, President François Hollande did say, the attacks were “prepared, organized and planned from abroad, with complicity from the inside.” He clearly is describing a conspiracy theory or more likely conspirators.
I do think your need for “reflective concern” is valid to you, and therefore so to your rejection of the Nazi references (among other things you reject about the site).
But as I said, “Godwin’s Law, as stated, is essentially arbitrary, as in the eye of the beholder.” We have beheld your eye.
It's the luster then that really appeals to you?
Sites like We are Change don’t have the staff to go through prose and check for nitty-gritty errors like “your” and “you’re”. That bugs all of us but one has to put things in perspective. Error-free articles do not necessarily hold more veracity. Thinking should never be abandoned. The media is run by the same cozy groups that run almost everything else. They have a vested interest in keeping us blinkered. Style can be very persuasive. But we must be aware that while we dis those that go against the grain and who are struggling to bring the truth to the willfully oblivious, style sometimes takes a back seat. What they are most earnest about is waking people up to the insanity that is the current situation, one that is accepted by the population, even to their individual and collective detriment. This blindness takes us all down by-the-way.
We Are Change . . . For The Worse
This isn’t about luster, it’s about veracity and literacy. The error using “your” instead of you’re was made by the founder of the site and this isn’t an issue of simply style. To my mind it indicates sloppiness which then calls into question the veracity and sharpness of the information being presented. You indicate a bias in accepting the information from We Are Change with your statement about “struggling to bring the truth to the willfully oblivious.” By saying this you obviously assume that whatever is presented on a web site such as We Are Change is unquestionably true. This is a false assumption. Also it is false to assume that those who aren’t so endeared by this web site are being willfully oblivious, perhaps that charge could be leveled back at you.
And as I said any web site that claims to be alternative media that should be taken seriously and then runs ads of scantily clad women with the headline “Watch them bounce in slow motion” or one of a barely covered young woman with the headline “All Jaws Dropped When She Showed up to the Prom” goes right into the trash bin along with newspapers like the New York Post. Yeah, I agree that thinking should never be abandoned but sloppy thinking should never be embraced either. It is sloppy thinking being taken as truth from any source be it corporate or alternative that will take us all down by-the-way.
OK OK
Censorship seems close to book-burning, it is a huge wake up call for me.
Although this event was a horrific tragedy, the media coverage is so intense. Especially when many issues of direct consequence to the public are not even covered. Thousands of police and military world-wide are posing with guns drawn and are plastered on every network. Millions are being spent as cities across Europe are in lock down and anything even remotely related is being being televised.
Are these images supposed to make us feel safe or fill us with fear? It just seems to me that fear is being maximized not minimized and that the public is supposed to get conditioned to this. As best I can figure these shows of force rarely prevent anything. See what judge Napalitano had to say on Freedom Watch (On FOX) two years ago.
https://youtu.be/QynchCojTzM
Add to this corporate arbitration procedures which are being established in secret with the TPP, an agreement which is being promoted and fast tracked by Obama, WMD’s and the invasion of Iraq for oil, drones, indefinite detention provisions of the NDAA, Monsanto Protection Act, NSA eavesdropping which is still occuring (1), rendition, black-ops, whisteblower prosecutions, constant war, constant death etc, etc. It all just seems so Orwellian to me.
Nazi Germany? I am just worried that we are marching towards global corporatism in plain view and with the full consent of an unsuspecting public.
If I am wrong I am just a Whackjob. What if I am right?
(1) http://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u-s-phone-calls/
In spite of all this – on this day there is much to be thankfull for: Government, Media, MIC, Banks and Oil conglomerates however, are not on my list, family and community are.
Why the question mark about
Why the question mark about Nazi Germany?
You and the author both referenced it. If you didn’t know why you did, then why did you? Huh?!
I wouldn’t give you two cents for Judge Napalitano’s views about anything.
If your focus is on family and community why did you post this today? Your comments confuse me but then perhaps I’m just easily flabbergasted . . . . or confused . . . or whatever. Onward towards the turkey