I heard this story yesterday explaining the collapse of Venezuela’s healthcare system.
I can’t help but wonder if this is what we have to look forward to with this new healthcare debacle.
The scary part is I see many similarities here.
A President who denies any problem.
A government that won’t admit there’s a problem.
All in a country that’s sitting on a vast supply of resources that could more than help pay for the needs of it’s people.
I sure hope this doesn’t happen here in the U.S. but so far from what I’m seeing I’m not “Hope”ful
Did you read the article?
Nonsense Mike. What are the similarities you see? Or did you read the article? Venezuela has a system of state owned hospitals. According to the article that you supposedly read, the reasons hospitals are having to postpone and turn people away is that they have no supplies. And the few number of beds that exist in the small private hospital system can’t accommodate the overflow because they have an extremely low percentage of the total hospital beds available in the country.
First of all if our hospitals were running out of supplies we would have a lot of other problems going on also. But most importantly Mike, either you didn’t read the article or you don’t understand how Obamacare is set up. Obamacare has no provisions whatsoever for state owned hospitals. Obamacare has no provisions for taking over the privately owned health insurance systems. There are no similarities. Look to Canada Mike. That’s the more similar model.
Or perhaps I misread or misunderstand something. What are those similarities that you see?
And by similarities I mean
And by similarities I mean between the Venezuela healthcare system as opposed to Obamacare. No vague comments about denial. Nothing in the article says anything about computer problems with a new system that enrolls people. And as for Obama’s supposed denial about that problem have you watched the news lately? Look to Canada Mike, that’s the model to look at that most closely resembles what is being implemented.
You can relax Mike. Nothing in Venezuela’s system resembles Obamacare.
Ok Ok Rosa I give up.
Here’s your Canadian comparison.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html
Written by someone who actually worked in the system. Not a politician or outsider who thinks it’s such a great idea.
Several years ago I had a conversation with someone who lives in Canada. They enlightened me to the fact that doctors have a cap on what they can make in a calender year. So a doctor that does specialized medicine like cancer treatment or very expensive surgeries may in fact close their practice for several months in the year because they will not be subsidized or paid by the government after their “cap”.
Sounds like a great system….. can’t wait.
Well Mike it would be helpful
Well Mike it would be helpful if your article wasn’t published in a Manhattan based uber conservative right wing rag and written by a doctor of psychiatry who advised Rudy Giulianai’s presidential campaign on health care.
While you may have had a convesation several years ago with someone who lives in Canada, I actually have family members, close family members, who are Canadians and tell a very positive story about the Canadian system. I’ve never heard of anyone I know having to wait for treatment or any of the horror stories those who fear Obamacare try to spread.
But in the future Mike, if you want to cite articles that aren’t supportive of the Canadian system at least move past City Journal, which, as I said, is a rag with a slant, not a real newspaper or Journal.
Come on, be fair! (NOT)
If you didn’t allow this kind of quote, Mr. Mike would have nothing to say. Most everyone has given up even checking the quotes of right wing nuts. They are always false when not just ludicrous. Started with Nixon and the “I’m not a crook,” and continuing on to every single thing that Cheney has said, and now Paul, who can’t even make up his own lies.
I really like to argue but now it turns out to be pointless. What difference does knowing facts make when the opposition doesn’t care about whether what they say is truthful or not as long as it agrees with today’s Faux Noise special? Weapons of mass destruction, minimum wage, food stamps, uranium in Niger and on and on. Remember my favorite from Senator Kyl (R- Az) “That was not intended to be a factual statement?” I’v been communicating with a blogger who keeps putting up quotes from Abraham Lincoln which are so stupid that I respond by making up my own. Things like, “today I read on my iPhone that black people have lower intelligence.” I am sure that this guy tries to verify them.
We are not arguing with people who bring to the argument the willingness to change their minds, or at least quit spewing the blarney when their lies are exposed. That is fundamental to the logic of argumentation.
I heard that Ted Cruz
I heard that Ted Cruz actually went on Jay Leno’s TV show and denied having supported the shut-down. I haven’t watched the clip yet, am waiting until I take my blood pressure medication.
And you’re right, I realize that without rags like the Journal Mike’s got nuttin. Funny about his having spoken to a Canadian some years ago thought since I speak to a Canadian just about every week and hear nothing but good stuff about the healthcare system.
Oh that's right I forgot.
Oh that’s right I forgot. Liberals never lie about anything.
"That was not intended to be a factual statement"
That statement got my attention, so googled it and here is the story:
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/04/24/from-not-factual-to-non-existent-kyls-remark-stricken-from-congressional-record/
Consider the Source
You’d actually believe something from such an uber-lieral online rag like that. So much for being fair and balanced on here again.
Sorry, I lost you
Which post are you referring to, anyhow?
And “lieral” means what?
Poorly understood
In my world, things are true or false. Things that are unproven are false. There has gotten to be a problem with this analysis in the last few years. Because essentially everything that Cantservatives have put up turns out to be false (IRS, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Minimum Wage, weapons of mass destruction, Cheney and Saddam and Al Qaeda best of friends and on and on back to fluoride in the water a Communist plot, smoking isn’t bad for you, currently GMO is the same as hybrid, “I am not a crook.” It is a satisfactory plan just to assume that what the wacko birds put up is false. Just look at Will and the quotes about global warming that disagree with what he maintains, Kyl’s comments about how 97% of Planned Parenthood money is spent on abortions, Krauthammer, Breitbart, Kristol, May, Goldberg on really any topic. Can you remember a retraction on any of these things? So I think it is correct to say that Liberals don’t lie about things, what actually happens is that Cantservatives get their panties in a bunch and then attack in the same mode as they have been attacked “That’s a lie,” because they can’t think of any argument to explain their dishonesty except that everyone else must be just as corrupt as are they.
Really, just pick a topic, and you don’t need to quote dummies like Palin or O’Donnell (I’m not a witch), or Angle or Gomertz. Pick the smart ones like Cruz (Harvard Law) and all the rest. I am really stunned – really. How so many people can be completely wrong about everything for so long without having bull called on them is mystifying.
I am occasionally wrong and quote stuff that turns out to be from questionable stories but the stuff I put up is engraved in stone compared to the paranoic ramblings of those like Mr. Mike. If I ever did that I would be so embarrassed that I would shut down.
Sadly, their belief structure is so strong that being proven false is some sort of positive stimulation. See Moody, Reifler, Nyant, even Ornstein and those trickle down people like Reagan’s economic adviser and Bush II’s economic adviser. As far as I know only Lawrence Wilkerson has apologized for Iraq. Has there ever been anything so thoroughly debunked as our “need” to invade Iraq?
I watched that Youtube clip
I watched that Youtube clip of Cruz on Jay Leno after taking my medication for high blood pressure. Cruz actually said with a serious face to Jay Leno that he had NOT been in favor of the shutdown. And you really got the impression he believed it. Leno was shocked and said “That’s not what it looked like from where I was sitting.” And Cruz repeated, with total sincerity in his voice, the statement that he was not in favor of the shutdown. Un-fricking-believable.